RicFlair 1 day ago
+9 Votes
Reality: Democrat politicians line their own pockets like any other party, except they do it by being the dog and pony show to distract the working man and middle class pal!
Bellum 1 day ago
+1 Vote
RicFlair -
Assuming your statement of reality is in fact reality, what is it exactly that Democratic politicians distract 'the working man and middle class' from?
Cheers,
Assuming your statement of reality is in fact reality, what is it exactly that Democratic politicians distract 'the working man and middle class' from?
Cheers,
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+1 Vote
The Democrats didn't get 20 Million from Romney.
Romney didn't get 20 million from Romney.
Dog and pony show you say?
Romney didn't get 20 million from Romney.
Dog and pony show you say?
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Flunked baby, they got you mesmerized and you're buying that working man story hook, line, and sinker pal!
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+1 Vote
RicFlair said; "Democrat politicians line their own pockets like any other party,"
really? Which other Parties?
really? Which other Parties?
RicFlair 1 day ago
+6 Votes
Flunked baby, I'm feeding it to ya and it's okay to tag in and do a bodyslam on the opposition 'cause you aint taking nothing from the me that I ain't willing to give up pal!
gottaloveit 1 day ago
+9 Votes
Democrats........................the true party of corruption.
Higher taxes for everyone, but themselves.
More regulation for everyone and everything, but themselves.
No pipelines or new drilling for natural resources, but complain when gas hits $3.75/gallon.
Support the corrupt unions, but want to bankrupt those who hire workers.
The hypocrisy never ends.
Higher taxes for everyone, but themselves.
More regulation for everyone and everything, but themselves.
No pipelines or new drilling for natural resources, but complain when gas hits $3.75/gallon.
Support the corrupt unions, but want to bankrupt those who hire workers.
The hypocrisy never ends.
rick0427 1 day ago
+2 Votes
Actually your 3.75 a gallon for gas is history. Bought it at three and a quarter just yesterday,
Us oil production actually Hit it's lowest point in sept 2008 at 117,899 Barrels. Today that has increased to 178+ thousand barrels. So the myth is really that our current president is hampering production when in reality it is Back to 2000 levels. the fall in production happened under GWB the oil man.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS1&f=M
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_prod_wells_s1_a.htm
The second link shows that producing natural gas wells in almost every state has increased since 2005. Another myth debunked that the president for some reason is slowing Natural Gas production. less
Us oil production actually Hit it's lowest point in sept 2008 at 117,899 Barrels. Today that has increased to 178+ thousand barrels. So the myth is really that our current president is hampering production when in reality it is Back to 2000 levels. the fall in production happened under GWB the oil man.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS1&f=M
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_prod_wells_s1_a.htm
The second link shows that producing natural gas wells in almost every state has increased since 2005. Another myth debunked that the president for some reason is slowing Natural Gas production. less
Rumpled 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Both Republican and Democrat political parties are bought and paid for to hob the knobs of those doing the paying -- open your checkbook and take a look to see how much consideration and service YOU have paid for through your generous contributions.
Cougardan 1 day ago
+9 Votes
Too bad Bellum and Grounded there don't have your guts to be honest...at least this post spells out the truth and it only took a couple of sentences.
Bellum 1 day ago
+2 Votes
Cougardan -
While Rumpled's post may have validity, it is, indeed, off topic.
Cheers,
While Rumpled's post may have validity, it is, indeed, off topic.
Cheers,
Rumpled 1 day ago
+4 Votes
It is not off topic -- neither of 'em are the party of the working man and middle class -- they cannot afford their attention or services ... just worth lip service and a mailer at best.
Re: "Topics> Myth: Democrats are the party of the working man and middle class baby!"
Cheers.
Re: "Topics> Myth: Democrats are the party of the working man and middle class baby!"
Cheers.
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Rumpled baby, you're not off topic at all, take it from the one who started this cage match pal!
kingston 1 day ago
+7 Votes
Why does history paint flattering pictures of the Presidents of the time? Consider how we look upon the first 4 and then Lincoln Big Teddy, FDR and Ike. We never hear criticism unless from the poisoned minds of zealots on the other side. Surely they were not as good as history tells us. Now look to the immediate past and the present. Were Clinton, Bush(both) and now Obama as bad as we make out in our insignificant comments here? Furthermore, who gives a da.mn?
Cheers from Aussie
Cheers from Aussie
Bellum 1 day ago
+1 Vote
kingston -
Who gives a squat re the character and performance of current and recent U.S. Presidents?
Those whom are in the positional politics game, of course.
It is, oft, a game not won on the merits of one’s candidate, but by the undermining of one’s opponent’s candidate. In short: I win because you lose.
Cheers,
Who gives a squat re the character and performance of current and recent U.S. Presidents?
Those whom are in the positional politics game, of course.
It is, oft, a game not won on the merits of one’s candidate, but by the undermining of one’s opponent’s candidate. In short: I win because you lose.
Cheers,
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+1 Vote
kingston,
In the Ancient World they Deified leaders during their lifetime, now we do it long after they're dead. I think it has more to do with communications than anything else.
The printing press probably made it much harder to control the messenger and the message.
In the Ancient World they Deified leaders during their lifetime, now we do it long after they're dead. I think it has more to do with communications than anything else.
The printing press probably made it much harder to control the messenger and the message.
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Flunked baby, modern day media has taken the diefication process to a whole new level but bottom line: Obama couldn't cash in on it pal!
kingston 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Flunked
Communications may be the operative word. Perhaps because getting the word into print was laborious and time consuming, the words were more carefully crafted in the past.
Look to the debates between Douglas and Lincoln, wonderful prose and sentiment. The most famous, other than Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence, is the Gettysburg address of Lincoln. Even Kennedy Think not what----- and Martin Luther King with "I have a dream" pale into insignificance besides these and Kennedy did not write his. MLK may well have written his; certainly no one else could have delivered it.
Cheers from Aussie
Communications may be the operative word. Perhaps because getting the word into print was laborious and time consuming, the words were more carefully crafted in the past.
Look to the debates between Douglas and Lincoln, wonderful prose and sentiment. The most famous, other than Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence, is the Gettysburg address of Lincoln. Even Kennedy Think not what----- and Martin Luther King with "I have a dream" pale into insignificance besides these and Kennedy did not write his. MLK may well have written his; certainly no one else could have delivered it.
Cheers from Aussie
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+1 Vote
Kingston,
As for "more carefully crafted", the 1,000 character limit does that for us here.
Before the internet, and micro fiche, etc. Quite a bit of information wasn't readily available to the public, or even scholars.
I can get to the Federalist papers, or things like Jefferson's second inaugural address whenever I feel like it. I can also get to some Presidential Archives very easily. In this Information age, it will be much harder to make misrepresentations.
If I want to know how Thomas Jefferson felt about religion, the information is available. It would not make him popular with some who pull phrases out of context for their hand lettered signs.
I think Thomas Jefferson would have his comments, and Topics fragged if he posted here. less
As for "more carefully crafted", the 1,000 character limit does that for us here.
Before the internet, and micro fiche, etc. Quite a bit of information wasn't readily available to the public, or even scholars.
I can get to the Federalist papers, or things like Jefferson's second inaugural address whenever I feel like it. I can also get to some Presidential Archives very easily. In this Information age, it will be much harder to make misrepresentations.
If I want to know how Thomas Jefferson felt about religion, the information is available. It would not make him popular with some who pull phrases out of context for their hand lettered signs.
I think Thomas Jefferson would have his comments, and Topics fragged if he posted here. less
TheScott 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Which ones in particular?
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764.
I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.
Most bad government has grown out of too much government.
Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Surely none of those...... less
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764.
I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.
Most bad government has grown out of too much government.
Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Surely none of those...... less
FlunkedAgain 12 hours ago
TheScott,
If you wish to quote Thomas Jefferson, you should Quote him.
1st quote, not by Jefferson.
2nd quote: This is not something Jefferson wrote, but rather comes from a passage he included in his "Legal Commonplace Book."
3rd quote, possible Jefferson quote
4th quote; Not a Jefferson quote
5th quote; possible
6th quote from here:
http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/bill-more-general-diffusion-knowledge
If you wish to quote Thomas Jefferson, you should Quote him.
1st quote, not by Jefferson.
2nd quote: This is not something Jefferson wrote, but rather comes from a passage he included in his "Legal Commonplace Book."
3rd quote, possible Jefferson quote
4th quote; Not a Jefferson quote
5th quote; possible
6th quote from here:
http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/bill-more-general-diffusion-knowledge
TheScott 4 hours ago
+2 Votes
1st quote, not by Jefferson.
A shortened message of a Jefferson comment with regard to a French author Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy - different words in translation... same message
2nd quote: This is not something Jefferson wrote, but rather comes from a passage he included in his "Legal Commonplace Book."
Citation was noted
3rd quote, possible Jefferson quote
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch18s21.html
4th quote; Not a Jefferson quote
My mistake, a comment made by John Sharp William in a speech about Jefferson and misquoted as being of Jefferson
5th quote; possible
Thomas Jefferson's autobiography 1821 page 65... />
6th quote from here:
http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/bill-more-general-diffusion-knowledge
Correct as you noted.
I apologise of the one direct misquote.... but as is becoming all to common, the objection is a diversion to the message....less
A shortened message of a Jefferson comment with regard to a French author Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy - different words in translation... same message
2nd quote: This is not something Jefferson wrote, but rather comes from a passage he included in his "Legal Commonplace Book."
Citation was noted
3rd quote, possible Jefferson quote
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch18s21.html
4th quote; Not a Jefferson quote
My mistake, a comment made by John Sharp William in a speech about Jefferson and misquoted as being of Jefferson
5th quote; possible
Thomas Jefferson's autobiography 1821 page 65... />
6th quote from here:
http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/bill-more-general-diffusion-knowledge
Correct as you noted.
I apologise of the one direct misquote.... but as is becoming all to common, the objection is a diversion to the message....less
FlunkedAgain 12 hours ago
TheScott:
"""
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
...
"The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ... Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error.
......
http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs
"""
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
...
"The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ... Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error.
......
http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs
TheScott 2 hours ago
No one on here has ever argued that the US should be a theocracy and as stated above, the government should have a clear division between the business and laws of state and any religion that may be in the land. BUT nothing has ever stopped a religious person with the conviction of their religion from becoming a law maker, a supreme court judge or a president.....
The left however seem to real at the idea of someone being elected by a constituency that are religions....
Your point?
The left however seem to real at the idea of someone being elected by a constituency that are religions....
Your point?
FlunkedAgain 3 hours ago
Scott,
Jefferson's Commonplace books are Notebooks. They contain excerpts of writings that Jefferson may or may not have supported.
The 3rd quote is out of context. The same document also stated;
"""
I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries; as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe.
"""
Jefferson's Commonplace books are Notebooks. They contain excerpts of writings that Jefferson may or may not have supported.
The 3rd quote is out of context. The same document also stated;
"""
I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries; as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe.
"""
TheScott 2 hours ago
Out of context.... the whole thing was about insurrection against an oppressive government and the adoption of the constitution . It also talked about possibility of the constitution not meeting all the functions of the people in the future and that "If they approve the proposed Convention in all it's parts, I shall concur in it chearfully, in hopes that they will amend it whenever they shall find it work wrong"
Of course, amending to get what we want is just to hard.... so we just circumvent the constitution to meet our needs....
Of course, amending to get what we want is just to hard.... so we just circumvent the constitution to meet our needs....
FlunkedAgain 2 hours ago
Scott,
1st Quote:
"""
Status: This exact quotation has not been found in any of the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It bears a very vague resemblance to Jefferson's comment in a prospectus
for his TRANSLATION of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy:
"""
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/democracy-will-cease-to-exist-quotation
Are we to attribute to Jefferson every work he may have TRANSLATED?
1st Quote:
"""
Status: This exact quotation has not been found in any of the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It bears a very vague resemblance to Jefferson's comment in a prospectus
for his TRANSLATION of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy:
"""
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/democracy-will-cease-to-exist-quotation
Are we to attribute to Jefferson every work he may have TRANSLATED?
TheScott 1 hour ago
Fine.... You win, I loose....... Their is nothing that we could put on this site actually said by Thomas Jefferson that wouldn't be fragged or nettled to death.....
Walking away, bowing my head and shaking it side to side in disgust and frustration...
Walking away, bowing my head and shaking it side to side in disgust and frustration...
ROJODEE 1 day ago
+12 Votes
Here is what I know and see..any of them are under tremendous pressure...and age rapidly under the stress load.....I personally would not wish the job on anyone...
kingston 1 day ago
+7 Votes
Agree but remember,they were not conscripted into the office,they had a choice unlike so many servicemen who endured the draft and died as a result.
Cheers from Aussie
Cheers from Aussie
louman 1 day ago
+9 Votes
Very much true K. Each one went to great lengths and expense to stand up and say let me, let me. We went for it, some have preformed, some have not. What's important is, why do many divert attention from the present to bring up the past? Excuses?
Diversion. is everything when things aren't going so well.
Spin, spin, spin. That's all that's all that's left when the numbers don't support the politician. Unfortunately we get a double dose, first from the administration spinning the numbers, then from the relentless media onslaught seeking to validate the lie."
Diversion. is everything when things aren't going so well.
Spin, spin, spin. That's all that's all that's left when the numbers don't support the politician. Unfortunately we get a double dose, first from the administration spinning the numbers, then from the relentless media onslaught seeking to validate the lie."
ROJODEE 1 day ago
+6 Votes
But of course it does...Happened in Gods state Flunked...;-).....Satans minions are always busy little bees....
Money Changers in a Temple ring any bells with you??.......and the arrogance.of Edwards and Daschle quoting Isaiah 9:10? Much like some others did in ignoring warnings..........
Money Changers in a Temple ring any bells with you??.......and the arrogance.of Edwards and Daschle quoting Isaiah 9:10? Much like some others did in ignoring warnings..........
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+2 Votes
""" Money Changers in a Temple """ Mormon, or Jewish?
BTW: Hope you and yours are safe.
The Weather Channel had storm chasers in Texas trying to talk into a microphone. Not very informative for some reason.
Gotta check the Hurricane stats now. I'm sure GOP presidential years are an indication of more, and more powerful hurricanes.
BTW: Hope you and yours are safe.
The Weather Channel had storm chasers in Texas trying to talk into a microphone. Not very informative for some reason.
Gotta check the Hurricane stats now. I'm sure GOP presidential years are an indication of more, and more powerful hurricanes.
ROJODEE 1 day ago
+5 Votes
My friend..we are safe...and sincerely..thank you for the thought..I wish the same for you and yours as well.....but I am sure you are aware of that ..;-)
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Flunked baby, you trying to get this thread fragged by throwing the M word and J word around pal?
theprofessor 1 day ago
+1 Vote
How can you be for the working class and anti union at the same time? Schizophrenia?
JimboSC 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Sustainability.
Unions crush the very jobs the middle class seek. Union is short term gratification.
No Schizophrenia needed to see the clear reality of it.
Unions crush the very jobs the middle class seek. Union is short term gratification.
No Schizophrenia needed to see the clear reality of it.
Bellum 1 day ago
+3 Votes
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Jimbo baby, used to be unions were on the common Joe's side, but now they're just a phenomenon of trickle down theory applied in the labor realm pal!
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Don't think so Flunked? What percentage of the labor force is unionized and getting union benefits while the rest of their brothers subsist on table scraps pal!
Rumpled 1 day ago
+2 Votes
RicFlair 1 day ago
+6 Votes
Rumpled baby, unions do work in some countries like Germany, but then again Germans have a strong work ethic among other things pal!
Rumpled 1 day ago
+3 Votes
Economic activity creates value added sourced from the factors of production -- value added retained by labor is the mulch upon which middle class rises upon. Ownership and managerial classes would prefer maximizing their own retained portions of value added created by ripping off the labor or expatriating the production -- either way middle class contracts.
Middle class rose from jingle in working class pockets and is not maintained by 'charity cheques' from wealthy S&P 500 board members.
Tariffs protect from expatriation of production and repatriation of goods to the benefit of ownership and managerial classes -- but at cost to working and middle classes.
Middle class rose from jingle in working class pockets and is not maintained by 'charity cheques' from wealthy S&P 500 board members.
Tariffs protect from expatriation of production and repatriation of goods to the benefit of ownership and managerial classes -- but at cost to working and middle classes.
Rumpled 1 day ago
+3 Votes
Feudal aristocracy, antebellum era plantation slave owners and pre-labor movement robber barons didn't pay much in the way of wages if at all -- preferring to maximize retention themselves of value added created by labor -- these societies didn't enjoy the benefits of broad / expansive middle class either.
A better division of the value added (that labor too helps create) begins with labor organizing and sitting down outside the gate until they are PAID -- labor knows their worst enemy is a firm that does not make a profit and capitalists know their best friend is bought and paid for badged and armed government.
A better division of the value added (that labor too helps create) begins with labor organizing and sitting down outside the gate until they are PAID -- labor knows their worst enemy is a firm that does not make a profit and capitalists know their best friend is bought and paid for badged and armed government.
JimboSC 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Bellum,
"'Unions crush the very jobs the middle class seek' - Not true."
Is too!
"'Unions crush the very jobs the middle class seek' - Not true."
Is too!
JimboSC 10 hours ago
A union is not a supplier of labor as some repeatedly say on these boards. It is a mechanism by which the price of labor is artifically inflated. To dispute that is plain foolishness.
Prior to the age of globalization, employers were forced to deal with unions due to lack of other options AND law.
Well, today, there are other options.
I hope this helps.
Toodles,
Prior to the age of globalization, employers were forced to deal with unions due to lack of other options AND law.
Well, today, there are other options.
I hope this helps.
Toodles,
Rumpled 8 hours ago
Nonsense Jimbo -- it is a mechanism by which labor collects closer to the true value of their production than owners and management would care to return to them -- preferring instead to keep it themselves.
Unionized labor does not affect market price of goods, either -- set at Ed=1 -- rather unionized labor alters division of profit that owners and management do not keep it all while relegating labor to shacks, company towns, labor camps, kids working too just to support the family, etc.
The primary difference between the mules, oxen and men is that mules and oxen cannot refuse to work for hay without getting sold or shot.
Unionized labor does not affect market price of goods, either -- set at Ed=1 -- rather unionized labor alters division of profit that owners and management do not keep it all while relegating labor to shacks, company towns, labor camps, kids working too just to support the family, etc.
The primary difference between the mules, oxen and men is that mules and oxen cannot refuse to work for hay without getting sold or shot.
JimboSC 6 hours ago
+1 Vote
The difference between men and oxen is that men has the ability to reason in determining whether or not an item will be produced.
You are speaking in pure economical terms about the ability to produce and the share of the gratifcation ([profit, salary,etc). Reality factors in human psychology in to that equation...in tems of whether or not something WILL be produce...not just could be.
Profit is a motivating factor which takes in to consideration labor, regulation, taxes..etc.
What a union does is prevents Joe from the street from going to GM and taking a $35/hr fork-lift job...even and especially since Joe would do it for $20/hr and love it.
Union's foe is not employers....it's Joe...and by extention, it's the real world labor market-place. less
You are speaking in pure economical terms about the ability to produce and the share of the gratifcation ([profit, salary,etc). Reality factors in human psychology in to that equation...in tems of whether or not something WILL be produce...not just could be.
Profit is a motivating factor which takes in to consideration labor, regulation, taxes..etc.
What a union does is prevents Joe from the street from going to GM and taking a $35/hr fork-lift job...even and especially since Joe would do it for $20/hr and love it.
Union's foe is not employers....it's Joe...and by extention, it's the real world labor market-place. less
kingston 1 day ago
+4 Votes
Prof
Is this a spoof? Way below your usual standard.
Unions at the end of the industrial Revolutions did wonders for the working class throughout the world. Like the Capitalists before them, they became drunk with power and ruined the workplace for American workers. Result, the jobs you had are now being done in China and other Asiatic countries. Just shows that excess in anything is worse than shortages of everything.
Cheers from Aussie
Is this a spoof? Way below your usual standard.
Unions at the end of the industrial Revolutions did wonders for the working class throughout the world. Like the Capitalists before them, they became drunk with power and ruined the workplace for American workers. Result, the jobs you had are now being done in China and other Asiatic countries. Just shows that excess in anything is worse than shortages of everything.
Cheers from Aussie
ROJODEE 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Kingston....we always forget that there is a time for everything.....as the Revolutions progress..some needs become a burden...
JimboSC 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Nohelp1 13 hours ago
+1 Vote
It is as obvious as everyday that sellers compete against sellers and buyers compete against buyers. Companies are buyers of labor- unions are sellers of labor. Buyers compete against buyers and sellers against sellers. Never sellers gainst buyers. Unions compete against non union sellers of labor. Unions and collective bargaining are typically found in industries lacking competitive numbers and unions will in most all instance reduce employment through their gains in wages and benefits.
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+1 Vote
kingston said; "Result, the jobs you had are now being done in China and other Asiatic countries."
Computer Programming jobs didn't go to India and China because of Unions. Neither did engineering.
Union or not, 20 cents an hour is hard to beat, especially if you live in a developed country.
This probably has more to do with currency and exchange rates than it does with unions.
Computer Programming jobs didn't go to India and China because of Unions. Neither did engineering.
Union or not, 20 cents an hour is hard to beat, especially if you live in a developed country.
This probably has more to do with currency and exchange rates than it does with unions.
Rumpled 1 day ago
+2 Votes
China needs an organized labor movement -- and they won't have an expansive middle class until they get one.
Wasn't easy here and it won't be easy there.
It would certainly help both them and us if the greatest market on earth -- the USA -- would eliminate from Most Favored Nation status any nation that does not allow for private sector collective bargaining and provide for a realistic minimum wage . . .
. . . and instead erect tariffs against them . . .
. . . but fat chance -- USA government works for corporatocracy and not for either laboring or middle classes -- electioneering soft soap / song and dance routines and voter BullEeefs notwithstanding.
Wasn't easy here and it won't be easy there.
It would certainly help both them and us if the greatest market on earth -- the USA -- would eliminate from Most Favored Nation status any nation that does not allow for private sector collective bargaining and provide for a realistic minimum wage . . .
. . . and instead erect tariffs against them . . .
. . . but fat chance -- USA government works for corporatocracy and not for either laboring or middle classes -- electioneering soft soap / song and dance routines and voter BullEeefs notwithstanding.
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+1 Vote
It says 43 Messages, but there are only 29.
Too Much Censorship here.
I guess having fun with the recent weather patter is frowned upon by some zealots who can't take a Joke.
Too Much Censorship here.
I guess having fun with the recent weather patter is frowned upon by some zealots who can't take a Joke.
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
Flunked baby, the more fragging, the better the cage match pal!
Woooooooooooooooo!
Woooooooooooooooo!
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+3 Votes
TheScott 18 hours ago
+6 Votes
Sorry Ric..... I want um in the cage..... fragging is just climbing over the fence.....
RicFlair 8 hours ago
+2 Votes
If you only got a one time shot at making your point, of having your say, then I can see why getting fragged is the end of the world my friends.
But when you got a silver tongue, the mind and intellect of a champion, and the fountain of wisdom flows constantly like honey outta your mouth it can only mean one thing: you're rocking the boat, you're disturbing the system, and whether your opponent likes it or not, you're getting through and getting into their heads baby!
But when you got a silver tongue, the mind and intellect of a champion, and the fountain of wisdom flows constantly like honey outta your mouth it can only mean one thing: you're rocking the boat, you're disturbing the system, and whether your opponent likes it or not, you're getting through and getting into their heads baby!
kingston 1 day ago
+5 Votes
And I,an innocent abroad here lost part of a post . I wonder who could consider a quote from Shakeapeare offensive,particularly as I used it context.
Cheers from Aussie
Cheers from Aussie
FlunkedAgain 1 day ago
+3 Votes
I think it was under my comment about the weather.
When it went bye bye, it took your comments along with it.
When it went bye bye, it took your comments along with it.
ROJODEE 1 day ago
+4 Votes
RicFlair 1 day ago
+5 Votes
kingston 1 day ago
+4 Votes
Prof
Is this a spoof? Way below your usual standard.
Unions at the end of the industrial Revolutions did wonders for the working class throughout the world. Like the Capitalists before them, they became drunk with power and ruined the workplace for American workers. Result, the jobs you had are now being done in China and other Asiatic countries. Just shows that excess in anything is worse than shortages of everything.
Cheers from Aussie
re you are Ric,the complete comment together with the fragged Shakespeare
Let's talk of graves, of worms, and epitaphs;
Make dust our paper and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth,
Let's choose executors and talk of wills:
And yet not so, for what can we bequeath
Save our deposed bodies to the ground?
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Cougardan 1 day ago
+7 Votes
Cougardan 1 day ago
+6 Votes
We should have been collectively complaining over a year ago when the cloning got really bad...it has hardly been worth the effort to post here for at least that long a period....keeping it short and with minimal care seems to bode well for the eternal posts.
stndyogrnd 17 hours ago
+1 Vote
LOL Republicans are the party of cowards, liars and obfuscators, who carry water for the wealthy elite, then try and blame the greed based distruction they follows in their wake on "liberals" they have been playing that game for decades.
RicFlair 14 hours ago
+5 Votes
Kenny baby, Dem voters get suckered every time by that siren song that they got a their very own champion while your alleged, repeat working class champion lines their own pockets and takes the middle-class for a ride pal!
stndyogrnd 11 hours ago
Everybody who is a middle class working American gets suckered due to the system of legalized corruption that pervades our process of elections and legislation. That's a given. Only dimwits and or bigots can't see the very obvious signs that point to the fact that the GOP is a far more enmeshed into that system of corruption. Combine that with the fake Blue Dog Democrats the real majority is always the majority of the corrupt.
RicFlair 8 hours ago
+3 Votes
Kenny baby, the GOP ain't the ones claiming to be for the working man pal!
stndyogrnd 7 hours ago
LOL no the GOP flat out admit they work for the wealthy elite. They are the ones claiming that if everyone bows and scrapes to the the wealthy elite that everything will be fine, They are the ones who tell the obvious lie that money equals "free speech". The GOP are a group of sociopaths, with no conscious, who sell snake oil to fools.... and tell the fools they are selling snake oil
RicFlair 1 hour ago
+1 Vote
Kenny baby, the sociopaths are the democrats who are selling the working man out, lining their own pockets, while claiming they're on his side pal!
stndyogrnd 1 hour ago
LOL right wing fools can keep repeating that fantasy, and it won't change the reality, that Republicans are corrupt tools, that have destroyed our Economy. but cowards need them to keep up their delusions.
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